Episode 30: True Grit with Cheryl Oreglia

Posted on by Wynne Leon

I’ve been trying to pinpoint the reason that I enjoy Cheryl Oreglia’s writing so much, or at least the top three. Is it because she makes me laugh even when delivering hard truths? Or because her writing sparkles with the delight of someone who loves life? Or because she’s willing to dig deep to find the nuggets of wisdom that lie beneath the everyday experience?

Hard to pick – so let’s say all three. If you haven’t read a copy of her book, Grow Damn It!: The Feeding and Nurturing of Life I highly recommend it. It’s the type of book that will make you feel lighter, wiser, and more loving all at once. At on this episode of the Sharing the Heart of the Matter podcast, Vicki and I are with Cheryl and she gives us a wonderful taste.

Cheryl reads an essay from her book, Grow Damn It, called True Grit and we talk about what we develop as we grow through life – the ability to get up and dust ourselves off again and again. In her charming and funny way, Cheryl makes us realize that each failure is a delightful opportunity.

We talk about how Cheryl found a letter she’d written to her mom, but never delivered, a few years after her mom passed and the reluctance to open it. We touch on that feeling that beckons us to think back to the moment we were before our parents died and the bittersweetness of crossing back to that time.

But for each increment of wisdom and perspective we gain, there are many things we also get to lose as we get older. Vicki and I ask Cheryl about the most delightful things she’s found useful to leave behind in middle-age. Cheryl talks about letting go of perfectionism, over-apologizing, and over-pleasing and using the space to focus instead on family and faith.

This is a great conversation with Cheryl, a wonderful and authentic writer and essayist. So, of course, we ask what she’ll write next, and we talk about a perspective on retirement that we rarely hear about. This is a wonderful episode full of love, laughter, and a little risk. I know you’ll love it.

Episode 64: Knowing a Person with Vicki and Wynne – Sharing the Heart of the Matter

In this episode, Wynne Leon is with co-host, Vicki Atkinson, and we are talking about the latest book from author David Brooks, How to Know a Person. We talk about his great encouragement to be vulnerable enough to be seen and his image of each of us as a creative artist who has a unique way of seeing the world. And we dive into the methods that help us listen well. We have a great conversation around what it takes to tell our own stories. Vicki also shares with us the wisdom she learned listening to David Brooks give a commencement speech when she was a faculty member. She explains why his approach was so much more meaningful than many of the others she heard in her 40 years in academia. This is a great episode about how we can be intentional about getting to know others. We know you’ll love it. Links for this podcast: Episode 64 show notes Vicki’s personal blog: Victoria Ponders Wynne’s personal blog: Surprised by Joy Vicki’s recently released book: Surviving Sue Wynne’s book about her beloved father: Finding My Father’s Faith
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  2. Episode 63: Keys to Collaborative Success with Vicki and Wynne
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  5. Episode 60: The Perils of Prediction with Dr. Gerald Stein

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Links for this Episode:

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Grow Damn It!: The Feeding and Nurturing of Life by Cheryl Oreglia

Cheryl’s blog: Living in the Gap

27 thoughts on “Episode 30: True Grit with Cheryl Oreglia”

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  3. Thank you, Wynne and Vicki. This was such a fun experience. Thank you for hosting me and sharing some fun and poignant stories from Grow Damn It! Always a joy to chat with you and Vicki, share some laughter and our musings, stumbling on insights and new perspectives. Just wonderful! Thank you, much love and hugs, C

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    3. Hi Crystal, I am thrilled to have vindicated your stance on loading a dishwasher. It is my deep-seated belief that dishwashers have cycles just like us, and mine just went through a rough bout of perimenopause. I told Larry we’ll need to eat out for the next few months and give the old girl a break. Thanks so much for listening. Hugs, C

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  7. I knew I’d enjoy this interview before it started. Cheryl’s blog has exactly the right amount of wit and wisdom, and her spoken voice reminds me of her written voice. Funny and authentic! It was fun to listen to her read this chapter and let her hit the sarcastic notes, especially those pokes at Larry. 😊

    I totally get the notion of “what matters most” in the time that we have left. It’s not like we’ve (we’ve as in people my age) got one foot in the grave, yet with age, I feel more fearless with an attitude of “quit screwing around, and get ‘er done” (I realize I lifted the second half of that quote from Larry the Cable Guy)—Wait! Is that Cheryl’s husband?🤣

    Write that retirement book! My wife and I laugh at the two most common questions we get in retirement:
    1. What do you do all day?
    2. Are you driving each other nuts yet?

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    1. I love those gentle pokes at Larry too – there’s something that feels so good-natured about them but also true! And your comment that “you feel more fearless” with age. So good. Thank you so much for listening, Pete!

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    2. Hi Pete, what a fabulous and generous comment. I can’t thank you enough because your words inspire me to keep writing, to keep searching for those elusive answers, and to do it all with a healthy sense of humor. Doing a podcast with Wynne and Vicki is like joining your friends for lunch. What a pleasure it is to work with those two ladies. They put you at ease, always moving the discussion in a positive direction, and it feels seamless.

      You crack me up, I have often referred to Larry as Larry the Cable Guy! They might be related. I totally agree about making the most of the time we have left and doing it with a “fearless attitude.” I think you nailed it.

      And now I have to write that book because those two questions need answering! Right? Because he is driving me nuts no matter what I’m doing all day!

      Thanks again, Pete, for the lovely comments! Much appreciated, hugs, C

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